where john kerry peaked in 2004, the first debate. they both had a first great debate, got a great bounce, and it dissipated -- >> slowly dissipated. >> -- over the course of the campaign, and they couldn't get the wind back. >> i'm not sure obama is peaking at the best moment, but the campaign, particularly in ohio, seems to have reached a plateau, this small -- >> why do you come with this debbie downer -- >> let me finish. >> are you irish? >> i'm jewish, close. >> dim scenario. >> if you look at ohio, it has narrowed in the last couple weeks, but it's hit this 4% mark and it hasn't changed -- >> let's go to -- >> obama steady -- >> let's go by what obama thinks -- not obama, romney thinks. i think he has done more than we know. here is romney with eric fern strom. if he thinks he's winning, why is he throwing these mud balls like this guy is hanging around with chavez? why he throwing mud balls about jeeps going to china when it's not true? why is he heading to pennsylvania? i just checked with neil, one of the top consultants in pennsylvania, he said four points to six points.